Side load carabiner test

[HardwoodsFanatic]

This gentleman was doing some cool testing. Thanks for sharing men.

 

[boyne bowhunter]

View attachment 102424stuff like this happens when people are worried about their carabiner.....thats crazy?

Not that I disagree in principle with you @tailgunner, I'm a firm believer that we would have a really hard time breaking a carabiner in our usage.

However, the real fact is that I'm already hanging from a carabiner when I put my weight on a platform. The carabiner is true life support, the platform just a place to rest my feet. If the platform breaks I might skin my shins, if the carabiner breaks I'm going to the ground.

 

[tailgunner]

Agrea.this is true..the carabiner is true life suport...couldnt say it beter myself....and yet we all use carabiners without them injuring us.knowing the rope or stitching in a saddle will break first i still dont worry about my rope or saddle.but when most injuries come from sticks... we still use them.logicly the carabiner is the last thing to worry about.they are used in every form of climbing and fall arest safety systems and they are true life suport....not like all the other components just dreamed up and redneck engineered by us hunters.

 

[tailgunner]

One Stick Climbing ClamCleat Failure at 19’ | Cleat Snaps In Half | How I Safely Get Down Uninjured / I Saddle Hunt

sticks are the most unsafe eliment in saddle hunting but some of use just love our sins to much to change that wich might hurt us and worry about irational stuff instead.like exsploding chineese carabiners.this guy is lucky he had a carabiner that untwist locked on him ...since twist lock...thats what everyone uses to be the safest false sence of security....and it still didnt break.another reason not to have your carabiner on your bridge.and my dude just unhooked his tether to pass a branch with a very loose linemans belt.clearly jesus has better plans for my guy.this post alone should be its own thread on safety but im sure it wont stop any one from using sticks.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Agrea.this is true..the carabiner is true life suport...couldnt say it beter myself....and yet we all use carabiners without them injuring us.knowing the rope or stitching in a saddle will break first i still dont worry about my rope or saddle.but when most injuries come from sticks... we still use them.logicly the carabiner is the last thing to worry about.they are used in every form of climbing and fall arest safety systems and they are true life suport....not like all the other components just dreamed up and redneck engineered by us hunters.

While I agree that being injured is more likely while using sticks, I dare say the biggest threat is our own bad habits and complacency while ascending and descending.
Also, In most of my testing the carabiner broke before the rope or the stitching on the saddles. Again this is with everything new and in lab conditions but many of these ropes are stronger than the 22 to 24 kN carabiners we are attached to…
more to the point is, when we pay the types of money we pay for platforms or sticks, we shouldn’t have to be concerned with a broken platform or a standoff failing. Same scenario with a carabiner. If we use it as intended, it will provide way more strength than what our bodies could handle. If I produce 10 to 18kN of force at any point while saddle hunting, I have done something horribly wrong and truthfully in an instant like that, there is no lesser of two evils because broken spine, hips and internal bleeding from the force of us being caught by the saddle and rope, would be pretty much as bad as similar injuries from hitting the ground.
This sad reality is why I have never taken up one sticking, and it’s why I jump in on safety topics whenever possible. I’m not a 2 bridge two carabiner and helmet safety nut like some, but I am a firm believer in take your time, limit the risks and learn to climb the right way type of guy

 

[tailgunner]

These drops in wich your carabiners break are strait down longer drops with the purpose of testing the strength of your bullet proof saddle ....they are not choking a tree and you know that wrapping the tree takes a huge percentage of the kenetic energy off of your carabiner.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

These drops in wich your carabiners break are strait down they are not choking a tree

Correct, The choking the tree would theoretically be weaker than a drop on a correct carabiner orientation though. Obviously the width of the tree would play a factor in the angle the carabiner is pulled in but anyway you slice it, it is a multidirection pull even if it’s not truly “side loading”. The bottom line is that as long as we are limiting or eliminating our slack, we can never generate enough fall force to break the carabiner even in a “weakened” configuration. I personally have no issue using a carabiner as a quick connect to girth hitch the tree. But that’s also because I do not introduce much if any slack in my climbing system. So in a weird way I am agreeing with you (even if my view (reason from agreeing) is different than yours.

 

[tailgunner]

My dude is good at this.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

One Stick Climbing ClamCleat Failure at 19’ | Cleat Snaps In Half | How I Safely Get Down Uninjured / I Saddle Hunt

sticks are the most unsafe eliment in saddle hunting but some of use just love our sins to much to change that wich might hurt us and worry about irational stuff instead.like exsploding chineese carabiners.this guy is lucky he had a carabiner that untwist locked on him ...since twist lock...thats what everyone uses to be the safest false sence of security....and it still didnt break.another reason not to have your carabiner on your bridge.and my dude just unhooked his tether to pass a branch with a very loose linemans belt.clearly jesus has better plans for my guy.this post alone should be its own thread on safety but im sure it wont stop any one from using sticks.

That was a Clam Cleat not a cam cleat like most one stickers use.

 

[BTaylor]

My dude is good at this.

Yeah, you not winning an argument with him. Seen a fence post give up and become a garden rake.

 

[tailgunner]

Huh? Maybe it was the carabiner